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  • #1 ✎ 909 Y_ack After over 170 days since the last contest... it's finally time to try one of these again. One Screen Program Contest the Second SUBMISSION DEADLINE: July 8th, 2018 11:59pm EST VOTING DEADLINE: July 15th, 2018 midday (12:00pm) EST About OSP: An OSP, or "one-screen program" is a program that fits within one editor screenshot (1334 characters). For eligibility in this contest, the intent of the restriction is that your program will run if typed in by hand from a single screenshot of the built-in editor at WIDTH 8 on a 3DS system. This means:
    1. Only unambiguous characters typeable on the default keyboard are legal
    2. No other files may be included, including graphic assets. WRITING to files is acceptable: the initial state must only be the single file.
    3. You must be able to provide an actual screenshot of your code at submission.
    Standard contest conditions apply.
    • You can't submit a pre-existing program, it must be an original submission. Novel adaptations of existing projects may be acceptable.
    • One entry (key) per user.
    • Using sockpuppets to get around any rules or cast extra votes will result in bad things such as disqualification entirely.
    Submission: Submit entries by uploading a code screenshot and (temporary) key to http://smilebasicsource.com/osp/. This step is REQUIRED for all entries. You must also provide a unique filename matching the filename in the key. To make it easier, we suggest using a prefix based on your username (for example, LU_PLANTS might be mine). You can also provide gameplay screenshots and a short description at this point -- if you need more, you can always create a real page or reply to this thread. If you do not have your program submitted to the OSP section, it will not be counted. Please be sure to do it correctly! Additional Information: Because this contest is held to test the viability of future official contests, there is no monetary prize offered, and the format is thus a less demanding one. Please treat it as a challenge of your programming skill in a small space. Even if you dislike the format, participation will provide valuable data for contest staff. (Badges are still offered) There is no required theme. Although there is no theme specified because most theme components will come from graphics and text, which are very expensive in OSP, some patrons prefer to have one for inspiration. For those patrons, we suggest the broad theme of "global warming" and the people and environments it affects. At the end of the submission period, voting will be conducted as normal. Please try your best. For tips on reducing code size to fit within the available space, please check out https://smilebasicsource.com/forum?ftid=1775
    Posted Edited by Y_ack
  • #2 ✎ 69 GreedyGoat8 Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength Avatar Block I didn't change my avatar for 30 days. Website Disguised Hidden Website Hey, wadda you know? Looks like that update did more than add a screenshot function! Posted
  • #3 ✎ 215 ProKuku Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website First Year My account is over 1 year old Website Pokemon Is Awesome! I love Pokemon! Express Yourself Well shoot, I’m not going to be able to work on anything until July 5th... Guess that means a lot of planning up in my head then. Posted
  • #4 ✎ 1065 randomous Owner Robot Hidden Easter Eggs Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Drawing I like to draw! Hobbies You'll get badges if you win! I promise I'll make them! I don't promise they'll be good though Posted
  • #5 ✎ 901 snail_ Helper Received for being very helpful around SmileBASIC Source Achievements OSP Contest 2 Contest Participant I participated in the second SmileBASIC Source OSP Contest! Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself How strict are we on the type-in rule? Are only characters which are present on the keyboard valid? Are kanji symbols thusly illegal? Rule could be more specifically realized as "characters you can type in on the keyboard or obtain from a sample resource" to allow KANJITBL but disallow any wiley symbols which are assigned but unvailable without CLIPBOARD CHR$ tricks. Is the intent that the source needs to be unambiguously readable as a text representation in SB's character set? This raises other issues involving character duplicates. Posted Edited by snail_
  • #6 ✎ 1065 randomous Owner Robot Hidden Easter Eggs Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Drawing I like to draw! Hobbies
    How strict are we on the type-in rule? Are only characters which are present on the keyboard valid? Are kanji symbols thusly illegal? Rule could be more specifically realized as "characters you can type in on the keyboard or obtain from a sample resource" to allow KANJITBL but disallow any wiley symbols which are assigned but unvailable without CLIPBOARD CHR$ tricks.
    Yeah anything that can be typed from the keyboard is what we mean. Like even if the character is kinda hard to find, as long as it's there it's fine.
    Posted
  • #7 ✎ 901 snail_ Helper Received for being very helpful around SmileBASIC Source Achievements OSP Contest 2 Contest Participant I participated in the second SmileBASIC Source OSP Contest! Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself sorry i ninja edited my post, please consider the addendum your response sounds to me like "kanji is illegal" which is understandable but unfortunate Posted Edited by snail_
  • #8 ✎ 909 Y_ack We expect to be able to deal with "theoretically reproducible" on a case-by-case basis, including for duplicate characters. The rules do not forbid kanji. ...It might forbid blank non-space characters if such characters exist. The rules have been updated. Legal characters are those available on the default keyboard. Posted Edited by Y_ack
  • #9 ✎ 901 snail_ Helper Received for being very helpful around SmileBASIC Source Achievements OSP Contest 2 Contest Participant I participated in the second SmileBASIC Source OSP Contest! Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself I have compiled a list of all unique characters, without having checked for any "visual dupes", that you can type in. There seems to be a few that you otherwise couldn't tell apart when looking at them, including an "invisible" one, but I'm going to write a program to determine this is actually true and I'm not seeing things. The results will be published so we may continue this endeavor, and potentially write a machine validator for submissions. Posted
  • #10 ✎ 1065 randomous Owner Robot Hidden Easter Eggs Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Drawing I like to draw! Hobbies How do you bring up the kanji table? If it's too hard I'm thinking kanji won't be allowed (remember, kanji is different than kana). I was hoping only characters you can see on the keyboard that are unambiguous will work, and I feel like this rule will only be ACTUALLY important for programs that are compressed. I don't think we need to be so particular about EXACTLY which characters, since the "keyboard only" rule should deter most compression anyway. Posted
  • #11 ✎ 408 kenchic Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Good Page Hidden Achievements
    How do you bring up the kanji table?
    It's in the SYS folder.
    Posted
  • #12 ✎ 909 Y_ack The rules have been updated to reflect a change in the definition of the legal character set. Only unambiguous characters that can be typed on the default keyboard are legal. This includes all "pages" of the keyboard. This excludes kanji and unreadable characters. Hopefully this does not compromise any possible Japanese entries. Posted Edited by Y_ack
  • #13 ✎ 1573 12Me21 Head Admin Syntax Highlighter Received for creating the code syntax highlighter on SBS Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website aww... I feel like the restrictions shouldn't apply to unused parts of the program Posted Edited by 12Me21
  • #14 ✎ 69 GreedyGoat8 Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength Avatar Block I didn't change my avatar for 30 days. Website Disguised Hidden Website Lol Posted
  • #15 ✎ 168 Nathaniel Avatar Block I didn't change my avatar for 30 days. Website Avatar Embargo I didn't change my avatar for 90 days Website Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website I think that all valid, unique characters should be legal, even if they can't be typed on a keyboard. So if someone wanted to compress their entire program they would have to generate each and every "valid" character before they could decompress it. This process takes about 30 minutes without DLC, which is pretty pointless and in no way worth it. And if you're concerned about recreating the program (even though it takes far less time just to download the key) I generated all the valid, unique characters (4KY5Z37D). My opinion is that the contest should be fair. This should mean that for the few that want to be really creative (Like 12ME21) can use valid characters that can't be typed on a keyboard for aesthetic purposes. But, this should also mean that compression is restricted to the point that it has to be readable. Posted Edited by Nathaniel
  • #16 ✎ 909 Y_ack Right, which is why kanji were allowed at first, but random argued that most everyone here can't actually identify the kanji at 8x8. If only a few showed up, that would be fine, but under a compression system the entire program would be a block of kanji. It's not feasible to copy 1000 characters one-by-one that you can't even recognize, so it's not legal. Because the rule has to be general and not filled with exceptions, this means restricting legal characters to those on the keyboard. *The spirit of OSP is that it could be reproduced from a single screenshot. If a program includes comments with otherwise unavailable characters that do not have any effect on program execution, this may be acceptable... but I'm not sure I want to introduce such an exception here, as they should be irrelevant anyway. Posted Edited by Y_ack
  • #17 ✎ 1573 12Me21 Head Admin Syntax Highlighter Received for creating the code syntax highlighter on SBS Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website If we allow compression, then everyone is forced to use it if they want any chance of winning. Writing a small program is hard enough, and having to consider compression algorithms and writing code that compresses well is not enjoyable, especially not when we only have a week. Posted
  • #18 ✎ 1065 randomous Owner Robot Hidden Easter Eggs Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Drawing I like to draw! Hobbies
    I think that all valid, unique characters should be legal, even if they can't be typed on a keyboard. [...] And if you're concerned about recreating the program (even though it takes far less time just to download the key) I generated all the valid, unique characters (4KY5Z37D).
    Right, which is why kanji were allowed at first, but random argued that most everyone here can't actually identify the kanji at 8x8. If only a few showed up, that would be fine, but under a compression system the entire program would be a block of kanji. It's not feasible to copy 1000 characters one-by-one that you can't even recognize, so it's not legal. Because the rule has to be general and not filled with exceptions, this means restricting legal characters to those on the keyboard. *The spirit of OSP is that it could be reproduced from a single screenshot.
    This. I know that any character that's visible and identifiable from a screenshot can technically be typed through some means, but I want people to be able to just look at the screenshot and easily type it. It's hard to identify, for instance, a particular kanji out of the block of 1000 available on SB, even if you have a program that displays them all. People usually don't keep around their OSP keys, which is why we require the screenshots so they can be retyped. As lumage said, the spirit of OSP is that it's not dependent on the transfer method; the program should be able to be retyped from a screenshot. If THIS osp contest turns out to be too restrictive, we can experiment with extended (identifiable) character sets for future ones. We're planning on doing lots of these.
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  • #19 ✎ 168 Nathaniel Avatar Block I didn't change my avatar for 30 days. Website Avatar Embargo I didn't change my avatar for 90 days Website Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website So... would it be fine if I use one character (CHR$(57711)) that's not located on the keyboard and has no negative effect on the game if someone trying to recreate it couldn't find it? Maybe I should just remove it. That wold solve all my problems. Posted
  • #20 ✎ 1065 randomous Owner Robot Hidden Easter Eggs Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website Drawing I like to draw! Hobbies
    So... would it be fine if I use one character (CHR$(57711)) that's not located on the keyboard and has no negative effect on the game if someone trying to recreate it couldn't find it? Maybe I should just remove it. That wold solve all my problems.
    For this contest, don't add it (I'm sorry). We'll figure out how to handle this stuff in the next contest. I don't want people trying to retype it go "I can't find this symbol so I give up". Edit:Now, if you want to make a real page for your game, feel free to use whatever character you want in that one.
    Posted Edited by randomous
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