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  • #321 ✎ 180 HTV04 Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength April Fool's 2017 Contest Participant I participated in the SmileBASIC Source April Fool's 2017 Contest! Programming Contest Forum Contributor Hidden Achievements I voted for π games, so that means I voted under the limit, ha. Posted
  • #322 ✎ 1536 12Me21 Admin Syntax Highlighter Received for creating the code syntax highlighter on SBS Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website I think we need to bring back the "effort" requirement. Also, maybe it would be a good idea to also add the poll to the original post, so it's possible to find it later. Posted Edited by 12Me21
  • #323 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements I'm fairly new to the forums and all, so pardon my asking, but what exactly are the requirements that denote 'effort'? Posted
  • #324 ✎ 389 ToadIsTheBest Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website Video Games I like to play video games! Hobbies Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength
    I'm fairly new to the forums and all, so pardon my asking, but what exactly are the requirements that denote 'effort'?
    to put it simply, put effort into your game which i didn't add to WHITE:THE GAME
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  • #325 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements I could puzzle that much out for myself. I was just wondering where exactly the cut-off lay between 'complete waste of time' and 'this took effort'. Fair enough, though Posted
  • #326 ✎ 389 SwanBot Halloween 2017 Contest Runner Up I placed 2nd in the SmileBASIC Source Halloween 2017 Contest! Programming Contest Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength First Year My account is over 1 year old Website
    I could puzzle that much out for myself. I was just wondering where exactly the cut-off lay between 'complete waste of time' and 'this took effort'. Fair enough, though
    well i mean just look at white: the game, it has zerp effort. 0. none. not at all. compared to maybe another game say, imagine we have one where its text the collides idk and um makes noise to get coins who knows, at least that had effort put into it more so then a white screen
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  • #327 ✎ 389 ToadIsTheBest Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website Video Games I like to play video games! Hobbies Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength
    I could puzzle that much out for myself. I was just wondering where exactly the cut-off lay between 'complete waste of time' and 'this took effort'. Fair enough, though
    well i mean just look at white: the game, it has zerp effort. 0. none. not at all. compared to maybe another game say, imagine we have one where its text the collides idk and um makes noise to get coins who knows, at least that had effort put into it more so then a white screen
    white the game is more than just a white screen lol
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  • #328 ✎ 1536 12Me21 Admin Syntax Highlighter Received for creating the code syntax highlighter on SBS Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself Second Year My account is over 2 years old Website
    I'm fairly new to the forums and all, so pardon my asking, but what exactly are the requirements that denote 'effort'?
    I think the only contest with that rule was this one: http://smilebasicsource.com/forum?ftid=1366, and they just said:
    Everyone who enters an acceptable** entry will receive participation badges. ... **Your entry must have at least some effort put into it. They will not be given out to entries which were obviously made only to receive the badge.
    But I think we should use something more easily provable. I'm worried that more people are going to start submitting entries that do nothing. I don't think we got any until the previous contest, and this time I know there's at least one. Basically we'd need a requirement like "your game has to actually get input from the user and DO something"
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  • #329 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements So, games must be responsive. That seems logical, fair, and super easy to achieve. Thanks for the clarification. Posted
  • #330 ✎ 395 random_god Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength Zelda Is Awesome! I love The Legend Of Zelda! Express Yourself Video Games I like to play video games! Hobbies
    I like how I got 43 notifs and 30+ of them were from people editing/posting on this thread.
    i was gone 3 days and about 64/104 notifs on thread.
    Posted Edited by random_god
  • #331 ✎ 180 ProKuku Avatar Taboo I didn't change my avatar for 180 days Website First Year My account is over 1 year old Website Pokemon Is Awesome! I love Pokemon! Express Yourself It’s funny, 120 votes by 32 users is an average of 3.75 votes each. Posted
  • #332 ✎ 880 Y_ack Head Admin The top 3.75 competitors from the previous round (those that received over 10 votes) have moved on to a second voting round. Good luck to the finalists, and thank you very much to everyone else for participating! You can only select one entry this time, so please choose wisely. Voting will end in um 2 days I guess I guess I skipped the explanation: Lumage feels that the ratio of votes encouraged to entries submitted, as well as relative quality of each entry, made the distribution of the highest-scoring entries unclear. This second-round protocol was outlined in the first contest, but never used. This second round should provide a clear distribution for the winner between the high-scoring entries, and break the tie between Hex Circuit and Virtual Buffalo. So a "let's try it" kind of thing. Posted Edited by Y_ack
  • #333 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements Grats, people. Pre-grats for your inevitable victory, kantackistan :) Posted Edited by Sagescript
  • #334 ✎ 42 kantackistan Woah, curveball! Was not expecting another round. Looks like I get a few more days to work on 1.0.4 after all. Best of luck, second rounders! Posted
  • #335 ✎ 389 SwanBot Halloween 2017 Contest Runner Up I placed 2nd in the SmileBASIC Source Halloween 2017 Contest! Programming Contest Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength First Year My account is over 1 year old Website Yeah (though im not expecting to get any higher lol) I'm happy I get longer to work on my update for my game though i must ask, does this mean I technically got 2nd place aside from the two 1st places? if so then do I at least get the badge for it? Posted
  • #336 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements If 2 are already tied for first place, you are 3rd at best, as obviously one of those 2 will have less votes than the other, but more than you. The only way that could not be is if the first round is irrespective to the 2nd in which case there's no knowing where you stand yet. Posted Edited by Sagescript
  • #337 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements
    Lumage feels that the ratio of votes encouraged to entries submitted, as well as relative quality of each entry, made the distribution of the highest-scoring entries unclear. .
    So, the amount of votes is not the only determining factor? At what point do the individual entries get evaluated by their 'relative quality' and how does that affect their standings?
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  • #338 ✎ 880 Y_ack Head Admin
    Lumage feels that the ratio of votes encouraged to entries submitted, as well as relative quality of each entry, made the distribution of the highest-scoring entries unclear. .
    So, the amount of votes is not the only determining factor? At what point do the individual entries get evaluated by their 'relative quality' and how does that affect their standings?
    Sorry, "relative quality" comes from the user choice--the first vote. The truth is that I'm not sure if this was the right choice or even a good choice, but the idea is this: Users voted for 3-4 programs on average, as instructed. However, this doesn't mean that they consider all of the programs they voted for to be equal. In the poll, each vote is only a yes or no for their "favorites." If there were only 3 programs submitted and 3 votes required, the final distribution would be flat--Everyone would have voted for the same 3. Obviously, we do not have only 3 entries, but also they are not of equal quality, as is the point of a contest. Undoubtedly the highest-scoring entries share a large number of vote casts. These, then, are the top "3.75," but within these top few the exact order is obscured by the multiple votes. If program A and program B differ in public opinion by .10, this would have been masked by equal votes. The same applies to the two trailing them: the gap may not be significant. I'm not entirely sure if this reasoning is correct; it may just have complicated things. But to answer your actual question: no, it is entirely decided by user vote. "Relative quality" is meant to refer to your opinion.
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  • #339 ✎ 24 Sagescript Night Person I like the quiet night and sleep late. Express Yourself RNG Hidden Easter Eggs Good Page Hidden Achievements Having just now figured out to check the results of this contests poll I have drawn the following conclusions: 1) These competitions are clearly thinly veiled popularity contests that are dependent upon voters who either did not fairly test all entries or are completely and utterly deranged. How does SNOW get more votes than Christmas Night, for instance? Christmas Night is an actual creative, playable game and SNOW was only ever meant to be a joke. How in Hades did White: the Game tie with This Game Does Not Yet Have A Title 2? TGDNYHAT2 in any logical frame of reference should have placed much higher than it did. Most perplexing, how do what are essentially largely unfinished tech demos beat out fully fleshed out games that are essentially complete? 2) There is absolutely no incentive for future developers to enter any submissions under these competitions as they currently are being judged. It makes no logical sense, in fact. For instance, you had 2 submissions tie. (They fully deserve the 1st and 2nd place awards, no doubt about it- It fully makes sense for them to have placed where they have, popularity aside.) My doubts are for everything that placed beneath them, such as: why does the second round include anyone other than those 2? I am of course disappointed in my poll results, as anyone who puts serious time and effort into their work would be, however, it is the overall lunacy of what I have just witnessed happening to everyone involved that has led me to decide never to enter another competition. But since I am addressing my momentary lack of humility already, my submission definitely shouldn't have beaten out at least the top 3, but it should have placed much higher than it did. And it certainly shouldn't have been one vote away from Snow for Cthulu's sake. 3) Shenanigans such as these will not draw more high-quality submissions for this forum, which by admin's admission is the whole point of them in the first place. Indeed, they will likely have the opposite effect. I may continue to contribute my work to this forum, assuming I'm not banned or the such for sharing my opinions, but I most certainly won't labor under a deadline to compete in a farce like this again. To those of you who entered a VALID submission, one that is at least mostly complete and clearly took innovation and creativity, I salute you, respect you, and wish you the best. To those of you who didn't, why are you here? Posted
  • #340 ✎ 395 random_god Intermediate Programmer I can make programs, but I still have trouble here and there. Programming Strength Zelda Is Awesome! I love The Legend Of Zelda! Express Yourself Video Games I like to play video games! Hobbies
    Having just now figured out to check the results of this contests poll I have drawn the following conclusions: 1) These competitions are clearly thinly veiled popularity contests that are dependent upon voters who either did not fairly test all entries or are completely and utterly deranged. How does SNOW get more votes than Christmas Night, for instance? Christmas Night is an actual creative, playable game and SNOW was only ever meant to be a joke. How in Hades did White: the Game tie with This Game Does Not Yet Have A Title 2? TGDNYHAT2 in any logical frame of reference should have placed much higher than it did. Most perplexing, how do what are essentially largely unfinished tech demos beat out fully fleshed out games that are essentially complete?
    mdj1deddeefrff petiteria gets u hyped for full version
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